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Post by pharrisire on Feb 2, 2012 15:51:42 GMT -5
The Lenovo laptop, like the Toshiba laptop, will not boot to the stick but
works fine on the dvd.
As an added insult, when I quit trying to get the stick to work and just went ahead
with the hard-drive install it said I had sucessfully completed the Knos9 install, but
upon re-boot - Low and Behold - it is still Knos8. And its repeatable - I've done the
install several time following your email instructions (To The Letter), but each time
it says its sucessful, but leaving the new Knos9 desktop it reboots to the
old Knos8.
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Post by Kevin McAleavey on Feb 3, 2012 2:30:03 GMT -5
The Lenovo laptop, like the Toshiba laptop, will not boot to the stick but works fine on the dvd. As an added insult, when I quit trying to get the stick to work and just went ahead with the hard-drive install it said I had successfully completed the Knos9 install, but upon re-boot - Low and Behold - it is still Knos8. And its repeatable - I've done the install several time following your email instructions (To The Letter), but each time it says its successful, but leaving the new Knos9 desktop it reboots to the old Knos8. It sure seems as though "write" is somehow being suppressed on both that machine, as well as your Toshiba for reasons unknown. I wonder if it has anything to do with Windows7 perhaps since many recent laptops don't actually have a BIOS, but rather an EFI system. The clue here would be if there's "BIOS SETUP" which is handled inside Windows 7 itself rather than in BIOS. With Microsoft's failings in controlling viruses that write to BIOS, it wouldn't surprise me if they've attempted to "solve" the problem by just denying writes. Given that we've had no problems nor have any of our alpha testers with that, something strange is going on there. Just for laughs and giggles, have you tried a stick from the desktop on either of those toys? Something written elsewhere I mean? Given the symptoms, it would seem as though writes are being blocked completely.. If you have a working stick for your desktop and happen to have a spare, try also reformatting it in Windows as FAT32 and see if it'll take a write on your lappies that way. For the moment, this is a new one and so far, have no idea as to why. But that's what I would start my own investigation trying out ... |
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Post by pharrisire on Feb 24, 2012 15:26:57 GMT -5
On the 32bit Lenovo Knos9b still will not install on the hard drive, and it
still will not make a boot-able stick. In both cases, Knos says it has
sucessfully completed and 'enjoy', but upon re-booting, or hard off
and restart, it completely ignores the newly installed Knos9 and just
chugs away into Knos8.
Multple attempts on both hard drive and stick yeilds same results:
-hard drive install ignores Knos9 and just goes to Knos8,
-stick install either hangs, can't find OS, or forgets about it and
goes to the old hard drive Knos8
Same stick and hard drive that sucessfully handled the
previous versions installs.
""have you tried a stick from the desktop on either of those toys?""
The desktop and the toshiba are both 64bit, and using the 64bit
stick will boot the desktop, but will not boot the toshiba.
and neither the 64bit stick nor the 32bit stick will work on
the Lenovo.
All three work fine from their dvd.
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Post by Kevin McAleavey on Feb 25, 2012 3:05:17 GMT -5
On the 32bit Lenovo Knos9b still will not install on the hard drive, and it still will not make a boot-able stick. In both cases, Knos says it has sucessfully completed and 'enjoy', but upon re-booting, or hard off and restart, it completely ignores the newly installed Knos9 and just chugs away into Knos8. Multple attempts on both hard drive and stick yeilds same results: -hard drive install ignores Knos9 and just goes to Knos8, -stick install either hangs, can't find OS, or forgets about it and goes to the old hard drive Knos8 Same stick and hard drive that sucessfully handled the previous versions installs. ""have you tried a stick from the desktop on either of those toys?"" The desktop and the toshiba are both 64bit, and using the 64bit stick will boot the desktop, but will not boot the toshiba. and neither the 64bit stick nor the 32bit stick will work on the Lenovo. All three work fine from their dvd. Hi there and sorry for the wait - I've got your email as well and will get to that hopefully later. Been fighting Broadcom issues and that's had me distracted since we want to have that going for the Beta 2 release. We noted a few people having problems making working sticks and particularly hard disks. Turns out that the problem was that the drives were mounted and our special FDISK won't write properly when that's the case. We resolved it for Beta 2 and beyond by finding a way to "force unmount" so that shouldn't be a problem once Beta 2 is out. In the meantime, give this a shot since you're still having problems, it'll also serve to ensure that my approach is also correct ... After booting from the DVD, look for any drives up on top there on the top bar. Hover the mouse over each one and see if it says "(mounted)" ... for each one, LEFT click on them, and select "unmount." The little bit of blue on the bottom should go away once they're unmounted. Then run the "Make bootable" as before, and when it gets to the point where you're told to wait for the stick to stop flashing, go up on top one more time and make sure that nothing is mounted again. I suspect that your hard disk and/or stick is somehow mounted when you go to do the knos2usb action and that's why you're not getting a properly formatted drive in both situations. If the device you're planning to write to isn't mounted when you run knos2usb, then you should get a good "recording" ... let me know. DVD boot has a special DVD boot sector which pretty much any machine will find from BIOS boot. When copying over from the DVD, we replace the DVD boot with a pointer to a virtual drive boot sector and if the device was already mounted, that won't be replaced properly and that *could* be the problem. For the Beta 2 which is coming as soon as I get the Broadcom drivers working properly, we've ensured that this will happen now. The current Beta 1 however might still have a problem but by eliminating any possibility of the device being mounted, that might do the trick for now. A few others had this problem like I said, and making sure the device was unmounted solved it for them so far with Beta 1. As for the Toshiba, as well as the Lenovo, it could be the same problem with how the sticks in question were formatted but it could also be that their bootup as set in BIOS could also be the problem. Are you doing a manual "boot order" select on startup with those? Or are you depending on them to boot the stick ahead of everything else without "forcing" them to start from USB? If so, that might have something to do with it. I know on this old HP here, unless I hit F9 and *pick* the USB stick, it'll boot from the hard drive if left to its own devices even if I change the boot order. That too should be happier in Beta 2 once we can get it out the door ... |
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Post by pharrisire on Feb 25, 2012 9:19:35 GMT -5
"In the meantime, give this a shot since you're still having problems,..." A step in the right direction!  After unmounting both hard drives, The 32bit hard drive install worked - ;D but, the 32bit stick install still does not, gave the "successfully completed - Enjoy!" but no joy in trying to boot to it. And I tried both ways of 'Legacy usb' in the bios. |
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Post by pharrisire on Feb 25, 2012 9:25:15 GMT -5
"As for the Toshiba, as well as the Lenovo, it could be the same problem with how the sticks in question were formatted but it could also be that their bootup as set in BIOS could also be the problem. Are you doing a manual "boot order" select on startup with those?"
Sure am! It's F12 on all three machines (conveniently!).
The toshiba has several usb choices, and I've tried them
all - several times.
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Post by Kevin McAleavey on Feb 26, 2012 3:34:02 GMT -5
"In the meantime, give this a shot since you're still having problems,..." A step in the right direction! After unmounting both hard drives, The 32bit hard drive install worked - ;D but, the 32bit stick install still does not, gave the "successfully completed - Enjoy!" but no joy in trying to boot to it. And I tried both ways of 'Legacy usb' in the bios. Strange indeed ... well, BSD9 does have a new boot loader, designed to deal with newer EFI systems which have no BIOS at all these days. FWIW though, our Beta 1 was based on the 9.0-RC3 version whereas the upcoming Beta 2 is based on 9.0-Release and I did see some code changes in the boot loader so perhaps the problem will be solved with our own Beta 2 release. We're *finally* making progress on the Broadcom stuff which has been holding that up, so hopefully it'll be out later this coming week and that'll solve the rest. We're doing a forced label on the sticks this time around in addition to the normal boot sector, so fingers crossed that Beta 2 will resolve that for you. Since the hard disk problem is resolved, I guess that's as close as we're going to get with the existing Beta 1 for now. Still should have worked though ... ah well ... we'll find out when 2 is available. Thanks for the extra effort there and apologies for the weirdness ... that's why we appreciate your doing this so immensely! |
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