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Post by rustleg on Feb 16, 2012 12:22:32 GMT -5
I have a NAS box with a shared folder for my music, mostly in flac format, some MP3s. In Linux I'm currently playing them with Banshee. I wondered if we have a suitable application in KNOS?
Banshee's not brilliant but it's quite acceptable. It will index a music collection using the tags in the files and so allow you to search by artist, composer, album, etc.
I tried clicking on a .flac file in KNOS and Totem Movie Player came up and appeared to be playing the track (although I got no sound - perhaps a different problem).
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Post by Kevin McAleavey on Feb 16, 2012 18:02:46 GMT -5
I have a NAS box with a shared folder for my music, mostly in flac format, some MP3s. In Linux I'm currently playing them with Banshee. I wondered if we have a suitable application in KNOS? Banshee's not brilliant but it's quite acceptable. It will index a music collection using the tags in the files and so allow you to search by artist, composer, album, etc. I tried clicking on a .flac file in KNOS and Totem Movie Player came up and appeared to be playing the track (although I got no sound - perhaps a different problem). Definitely SHOULD be working for you. We built our KNOS multimedia world around Totem and include all known CODECs with it. You can definitely play FLAC files (just checked myself) and even feed it a PLS or other "playlist" file as well as play from streaming sites all in one place with a pretty cool "visualizer" too if you're into that. No sound suggests that one of two volume controls might be all the way down. There's the main volume control up on top next to the red "Flashfix" icon ... click that and make sure that it's turned up. There's also a secondary volume control in Totem itself down on the bottom. We activated that one so that you don't have to leave full screen media if the sound is too loud. Perhaps that one's turned all the way down. The two volume controls will interact with each other (we designed it that way) so if BOTH are down, well ... That should do it though unless you have no sound on *anything* ... if that's the case then it's a hardware/driver problem ... we'll need to see diagnostics data to pursue that but hopefully all that's wrong is that one or both of the volume controls is either all the way down or in "mute" ...
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Post by rustleg on Feb 17, 2012 3:31:14 GMT -5
Both volume controls are turned up so I'll send you the diags (there are messages in there which suggest problems)
Although I can't hear any sound, I played with Totem a bit and found that I could drag files from Nautilus into it and it would create a playlist, so I can manage my music collection via Nautilus. This is ok although it means I am using filenames to select music and it's not as flexible as applications which organise music collections using tags embedded in the files.
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Post by Kevin McAleavey on Feb 17, 2012 18:43:20 GMT -5
Both volume controls are turned up so I'll send you the diags (there are messages in there which suggest problems) Although I can't hear any sound, I played with Totem a bit and found that I could drag files from Nautilus into it and it would create a playlist, so I can manage my music collection via Nautilus. This is ok although it means I am using filenames to select music and it's not as flexible as applications which organise music collections using tags embedded in the files. Thanks for sending the diagnostics! They're ... interesting. hdac0: HDA Codec #0: ATI R6xx HDMI Feb 17 08:09:24 KNOS-64 kernel: hdac0: HDA Codec #0: ATI R6xx HDMI Feb 17 08:09:24 KNOS-64 kernel: pcm0: <HDA ATI R6xx HDMI PCM #0 HDMI> at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac0 Feb 17 08:09:24 KNOS-64 kernel: hdac1: HDA Codec #0: Realtek ALC888 Feb 17 08:09:24 KNOS-64 kernel: pcm1: <HDA Realtek ALC888 PCM #0 Analog> at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 Feb 17 08:09:24 KNOS-64 kernel: pcm2: <HDA Realtek ALC888 PCM #1 Analog> at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 Feb 17 08:09:24 KNOS-64 kernel: pcm3: <HDA Realtek ALC888 PCM #2 Digital> at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 Feb 17 08:09:24 KNOS-64 kernel: pcm4: <HDA Realtek ALC888 PCM #3 Digital> at cad 0 nid 1 on hdac1 Just for reference, "hdac" means "High Definition Audio Controller." You have two sound cards in that box there, and that's an automatic invite for a conflict as KNOS attempts to guess at what to connect to without benefit of an OEM build specific to a manufacturer. (which we can do) So it's quite possible that your audio is showing up on the HDMI on that ATI video card since it's the winner of the connection owing to its absolute address. So we likely have a conflict here. Further, the "Realtek ALC888" sound card has issues of its own which a fast google of BSD and that model will show. Getting sound out of the ATI HDMI requires a special driver called "RADEONHD" to be compiled into a special build, but it can be done - though not in the current one as it would prevent normal ATI video cards from coming up and there's no code in BSD itself which would distinguish between the two at this time. So ... just for laughs and giggles, why not try plugging your speakers into one of the other connectors on your Realtek card and see if sound doesn't come out from one of the others. The default mapping of outputs is strange on those, and KNOS will use whatever default the hardware presents. Your sound *might* appear on the line in, mic, or one of the other connectors on the back of your machine. Give each of them a try and see if any of them produce sound. If not, we'll have to take it to the next step which might indeed require building you a custom. In our generic build, all we can do is load the standard drivers and hope for the best ... Don't give up though, there's a few other things we can try that will require a bit more effort.
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Post by rustleg on Feb 19, 2012 6:00:14 GMT -5
.... <snip> .... So ... just for laughs and giggles, why not try plugging your speakers into one of the other connectors on your Realtek card and see if sound doesn't come out from one of the others. The default mapping of outputs is strange on those, and KNOS will use whatever default the hardware presents. Your sound *might* appear on the line in, mic, or one of the other connectors on the back of your machine. Give each of them a try and see if any of them produce sound. If not, we'll have to take it to the next step which might indeed require building you a custom. In our generic build, all we can do is load the standard drivers and hope for the best ... Don't give up though, there's a few other things we can try that will require a bit more effort. I didn't realise I had 2 sound devices in the PC until you explained. The HDMI relates to the HMDI connector on the back of the video card which I sometimes use to watch video on my LCD TV. I hadn't tried before but now find that in Linux I can choose which output to use either the on-motherboard Realtek or the ATI HDMI. However I understand from what you say that the HDMI is not an option for KNOS. But no worries on that score - I'm more interested in getting output from the Realtek into my external amp for playing music, which I do far more often than watching a video on the big screen. Regarding the Realtek I had an optical output connected to my amp. When I connect a standard stereo phono lead from the motherboard output (the normal one in the centre of the 3) to the "Line 1" input of my external amp I get sound from KNOS. So I can live with this. Of course there is a preference for the optical output in order to get the best sound - I listen to classical music mostly and quality of output is important for a good experience. So if the optical output could somehow be selected then that would be better. I looked at sound preferences which give 5 options for output but selecting any of these doesn't seem to alter the output.
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Post by Kevin McAleavey on Feb 20, 2012 3:09:50 GMT -5
I didn't realise I had 2 sound devices in the PC until you explained. The HDMI relates to the HMDI connector on the back of the video card which I sometimes use to watch video on my LCD TV. I hadn't tried before but now find that in Linux I can choose which output to use either the on-motherboard Realtek or the ATI HDMI. However I understand from what you say that the HDMI is not an option for KNOS. But no worries on that score - I'm more interested in getting output from the Realtek into my external amp for playing music, which I do far more often than watching a video on the big screen. Regarding the Realtek I had an optical output connected to my amp. When I connect a standard stereo phono lead from the motherboard output (the normal one in the centre of the 3) to the "Line 1" input of my external amp I get sound from KNOS. So I can live with this. Of course there is a preference for the optical output in order to get the best sound - I listen to classical music mostly and quality of output is important for a good experience. So if the optical output could somehow be selected then that would be better. I looked at sound preferences which give 5 options for output but selecting any of these doesn't seem to alter the output. There actually is a way to switch outputs in BSD, but it's extremely messy. Sorta like Linux as far as the "edit this kernel thing, change that, cross appendages and then pray." Heh. Apologies for the delay in getting back here - we're having all sorts of nasty problems right now here at the wirebarn attempting to get Broadcom's wifi working properly and it's been an absolute nightmare. So I've been hosed for time for other things the past few days trying to get that bit working before tackling the lesser issues by comparison. Once I've got that sorted, if you're interested, I can provide some details on manually editing since you're planning to run off writable media. It's a bit of a challenge but once again, this is something that we would have no problem providing in a custom build for an OEM manufacturer as there are means within our code to select a specific output. In KNOS as distributed here, we go for the default configurations and some manufacturers choose their defaults ... strangely. There are ways around that though but we'll have to have you perform a little trial and error to find out which one is the correct one to set for what you want. Obviously it's not "output 0" here. But if you're game, be happy to make your wishes come true ... that's what we do here. Except when Broadcom is a bunch of snots.
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Post by rustleg on Feb 20, 2012 5:16:04 GMT -5
OK no problem - this is a VERY minor issue for me so leave it until you have no more to do elsewhere
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